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hi everybody i'm bill burns yeah nancy

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burns here and we're from future theater

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for pang radio

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broadcasting live from iren studio north

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this is paying radio welcome to the show

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tonight we have on a great great guest

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uh he's pretty well known actually he's

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all over

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uh the cable networks on various uh ufo

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shows but peter robbins will join us

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tonight and i'm joined by my co-host

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from oklahoma enjoying a nice 65 degree

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day mr ken storch how you doing ken hey

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i'm doing fine and hello folks thanks

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for joining us tonight it should be a

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good show looking forward to it oh yeah

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i definitely am looking forward to it

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and ken i'm going to throw it back to

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you you must you always have some good

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shout outs so go ahead and throw away

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well i gotta definitely uh have a a

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shout out to

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doug and christy i know you're listening

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christy so how you doing up there in

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mazzura and george and patty and

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i want to say hello to lorna from la pig

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once again lorna thank you so much for

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all your hard work and research

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and uh dick and marilyn and a special

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shout out to lou simpson in new mexico

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land of enchantment

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very very cool tonight i throw up my

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biggest shout out to my friend deborah

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in duluth minnesota right across the

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river here in wisconsin we have another

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shout out to mr robert channer

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family in monbalk australia and he

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actually posted a map on our inception

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know where this where the city is he

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definitely helped us out with that

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that's awesome and then we actually have

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antonio vazquez listening from mexico

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tonight to the show

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now it's like what

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pretty cool that's wild yeah some pretty

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wild stuff with uh technology it's been

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uh it's been really really uh fast-paced

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the last uh you know four or five years

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we've really seen some new uh

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innovations come out oh i think it's

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only going to get more intense as we go

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down the technological road mj oh

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definitely definitely another shuttle to

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again marilyn and dick carlson i did she

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has uh

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basically set me up to talk to john ford

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be airing that very soon possibly maybe

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on a sunday another segment of john ford

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we let john john make the call on that

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so he's still able to talk to us via

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and a calling card i believe from the

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the place that he's uh

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pent up there in new york but it's it's

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great to talk to john he sounds of sound

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mind to me and a very very nice guy and

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hopefully we can get him the hell out of

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there ken hey

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let me ask you just for our listeners mj

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do you find him lucid i mean he's able

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to follow a train of thought and

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you know that uh he knows what's going

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on in and around him very

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she uh she felt the same way that uh you

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know john ford is uh very lucid

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in control of his facility facilities

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facilities thank you very much and and

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don't be laughing george i know you're

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chuckling um

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but uh

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yeah and especially i know we were

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talking before we went on the air

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you know in comparison to to john higley

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and they're letting that boy walk around

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by himself for four six seven eight

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um i i i don't get it

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yeah the crazy thing wasn't it the

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report that that he they followed him to

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the library and he was looking up

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what's wrong with that oh i don't know

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how to buy a gun on the internet

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right right oh boy yeah and then you

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have john foreign sitting in there for

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investigating ufos i mean come on man i

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know you know i i i i laugh and and uh

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and throw puns out there in regards to

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that but you know mj that's pretty damn

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serious when you stop and think about it

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that they they use the fact i mean that

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criteria for putting him into a mental

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facility was that he investigated and

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they did they said he was crazy right

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well i i should probably be a cell mate

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i mean you know oh geez

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and then and then you can you i mean you

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were basically working for a police

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force and and investigating and i'm sure

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your uh oh no say it wasn't so

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personal mailboxes within the department

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look for my name you could tell there

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people would put tin foil around it i

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group of illegal aliens that uh but it

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was immigration but they go oh sen

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storch he's a professional in dealing

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with aliens i mean that kind of stuff

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the most part in fun uh and i i hey i

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i wasn't afraid to jump back so

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i it uh you know being in the in the

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public eye and being an officer of the

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court and everything it it was not a

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career enhancement on my part that's for

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well well you're long gone from that and

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you're still enjoying and loving what

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you're doing so that's all absolutely

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yeah and uh and i i got some excellent

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training i am very thankful for

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all the professional uh training that i

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received from through my throughout my

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31 years as a law enforcement officer

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right awesome right big shout out to our

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chat tonight we got we got neutron pan

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and jim bob and jim bob short in there

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chat's a little uh quiet tonight but it

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is getting nicer out so i mean that's

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it's sunday everybody's barbecuing

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they're still listening to us mobile

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that's that's the cool thing about all

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this exactly right yeah i mean how could

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you not go with paying on a sunday night

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right right and some barbecued chicken

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and a nice cold drink and um

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oh i'm thinking like a margarita well

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you guys are a little bit chilly up

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there in the in the north ay lorna but

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tequila sunrises i mean come on we i

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call them kickapoo cocos so we drink a

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lot of cocoa yeah we drink a lot of

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kickapoo cocoas up north okay

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that sounds like a cold weather drink to

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me there you go well everybody knows our

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guest tonight he's a well-known ufo

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author researcher

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his his his really claim to fame is the

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rental shim incident so he basically has

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worked with bud hopkins he's been on

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numerous uh tv shows but he's uh he's

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he's a great guy and we're going to

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bring peter in right now too and

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i have them all ready to go here so it

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shouldn't we should get in here pretty

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quick here

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so i i i plan to hit a little bit

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tonight ken so to get right on right

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it's good to have a plan oh yeah well

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welcome peter to paying radio

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thank you nice nice to have you

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glad to be on perfect perfect hey peter

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thanks for coming on my pleasure guys

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nope now peter looking at your bio uh an

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inch interesting interesting thing you

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said in the bio is that you don't come

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from this background in in re ufo

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research so what got you interested in

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all this research

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uh great question um

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there's only a few possibilities um

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people have sightings they're

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intellectually open-minded they know

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somebody that's had an experience

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in my case

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it was a pair of things

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that actually i guess i kind of marked

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february would have been was 40 years

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since i had a discussion with my late

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sister helen

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regarding two things um a memory that

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had returned to me that had been kind of

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repressed from childhood

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um

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for about 14 years a memory that

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returned to me when i i

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was in my 20s and

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of a childhood sighting that i had with

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her confirmation of that memory

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led to

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her telling me um

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about memories that she had completely

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separate

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but related namely um what we'd now call

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archetypical abduction experiences

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now this was 1975 that we had this

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discussion the event happened in the

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early 1960s

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and

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to say that you know my life changed

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overnight is a figure of speech and not

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an accurate one

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my life changed in about 60 seconds

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when my sister first talked to me about

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our memories and confirmed mine and then

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went on to tell me about hers

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i would have to say that now

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i have heard incredibly similar accounts

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some hundreds of times quite simply from

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people from every background

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every corner of the planet

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but that was a life-changing

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conversation for me and

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my life changed overnight right then and

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there

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peter what did your sister exactly tell

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you you seen

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well we both remembered

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um she remembered her whole life uh

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never forgot it i put it out of my mind

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because the thought was just too

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challenging for me um i was an

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adolescent

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uh

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happy innocent kind of childhood i grew

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up in um

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a very pretty village about 30 miles

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east of manhattan

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and i would have to describe my life uh

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at 14 or so

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as having the sophistic sophistication

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of

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an old leave it to beaver episode on tv

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land um

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and we saw five silvery white

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disc shaped objects

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coming in and stopping in really

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stopping on a dime above the neighbor's

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house

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they were in a very precise v

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type formation

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the same way that fighter aircraft fly

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not shiny like

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stainless steel but more

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like brushed aluminum

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and they were

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like tipped dinner plates they were

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ellipses and we could both see around

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the edge of each one

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regular detailing

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that

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only looked like

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windows on a commercial aircraft at a

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distance but again these were completely

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round and after

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they came in at a high rate of speed

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they just stopped and hung over the

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neighbor's house

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for me

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i never really gave the subject of ufos

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much thought as a kid um it just wasn't

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something that was

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of real interest to me

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but all of a sudden there they were and

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i knew they were not like anything that

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i had ever seen before or could have

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imagined

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i also knew that uh you know they were

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real in the science fiction sense

353
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but intuited the adult world message

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that they were not real in reality

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um

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i also was savvy enough to realize

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to understand

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that there was a uh

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a ridicule factor attached to

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them

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and

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i knew i think instinctively that if i

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talked to my little friends about this

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um

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i was going to have fun made of me

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my sister on the other hand was still

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in childhood maybe on the cusp of it but

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12 years old

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and in reflecting back to me years later

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she said

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she had thought about it every day since

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then but at the same time

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respected the fact that when she had

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asked me that afternoon if i wanted to

375
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talk about it

376
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and i said no

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we didn't talk about it from that time

378
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on

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um

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but she remembered archetypical phrases

381
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as

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she well

383
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she remembered lifting being lifted off

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the ground

385
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uh in a sense of wonder not fear

386
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her hair kind of flying in the distance

387
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um seeing the bottoms of these things

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get bigger and bigger

389
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and

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then remembering being inside one

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going through a metal hallway with

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beings that she described

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and again remember this is

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40 years ago

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as

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little doctors with big heads

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and

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big black eyes

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who spoke to you in your head

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um

401
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again remembering back to her 12 year

402
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old self

403
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and

404
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the things that they said were

405
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so like so many other statements i've

406
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had in part from people

407
00:16:03,590 --> 00:16:02,240
who feel they've had the same kind of

408
00:16:05,269 --> 00:16:03,600
experience

409
00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:05,279
uh we love you

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00:16:10,230 --> 00:16:07,440
you're special we've seen you before

411
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we'll see you again we will not harm you

412
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and so on

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and

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to tell you the truth guys um

415
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that day

416
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was not some wonderful exciting day for

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00:16:24,150 --> 00:16:22,079
me where i thought oh boy now i have

418
00:16:26,230 --> 00:16:24,160
this cool career looking into

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what the hell happened to my sister

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um

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all i had ever wanted to be from

422
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childhood was

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a painter and an artist

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and i was doing just that at the time i

425
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was living my dream

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showing my work downtown

427
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and

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all of a sudden something superimposed

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itself on my life

430
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had more mass to it that um needed to be

431
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answered more that i became more

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obsessed with and i resented it i

433
00:17:01,590 --> 00:16:58,800
resented it

434
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um i continued to paint and draw and

435
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show my work and teach for some years

436
00:17:08,150 --> 00:17:06,319
but the real driving passion and the

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00:17:10,949 --> 00:17:08,160
heart of being a

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new york city you know painter

439
00:17:13,909 --> 00:17:12,400
um

440
00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:13,919
had slipped away

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00:17:18,949 --> 00:17:16,480
and i i still paint

442
00:17:22,069 --> 00:17:18,959
occasionally and draw for

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00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:22,079
complete enjoyment but not as a career i

444
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i guess my creative outlet has remained

445
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my camera and writing

446
00:17:29,029 --> 00:17:27,120
but

447
00:17:31,190 --> 00:17:29,039
you asked me how i got into the subject

448
00:17:33,350 --> 00:17:31,200
that's how i got into it wow that's

449
00:17:35,909 --> 00:17:33,360
amazing ken do you have anything

450
00:17:38,789 --> 00:17:35,919
well hey peter did uh

451
00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:38,799
your sister's interaction with these

452
00:17:42,070 --> 00:17:40,640
with these beans do you think

453
00:17:43,909 --> 00:17:42,080
she was

454
00:17:46,870 --> 00:17:43,919
implanted in any way shape or form did

455
00:17:47,669 --> 00:17:46,880
she ever have reoccurring occurrences

456
00:17:49,510 --> 00:17:47,679
with

457
00:17:51,909 --> 00:17:49,520
these beans

458
00:17:53,190 --> 00:17:51,919
there were a few that she explored with

459
00:17:55,190 --> 00:17:53,200
both

460
00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:55,200
bud hopkins

461
00:17:59,750 --> 00:17:58,080
who many of your listeners know

462
00:18:02,470 --> 00:17:59,760
is arguably

463
00:18:05,590 --> 00:18:02,480
the father of scientific

464
00:18:07,510 --> 00:18:05,600
abduction ufo related studies

465
00:18:09,270 --> 00:18:07,520
and who was a very good friend of mine

466
00:18:11,590 --> 00:18:09,280
for 35 years

467
00:18:13,990 --> 00:18:11,600
and for about half of that time i worked

468
00:18:16,710 --> 00:18:14,000
as his assistant so this was a subject

469
00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:16,720
very close to me

470
00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:18,240
she dealt with

471
00:18:21,830 --> 00:18:20,160
at least one other experience as i

472
00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:21,840
recall with bud

473
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and with a another remarkable but

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00:18:29,190 --> 00:18:25,440
lesser-known

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00:18:30,230 --> 00:18:29,200
investigative researcher

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00:18:31,990 --> 00:18:30,240
a man

477
00:18:33,750 --> 00:18:32,000
who was one of my great teachers

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00:18:35,590 --> 00:18:33,760
detective sergeant

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pete mazzola of the new york city police

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department who was a crack new york city

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police detective

482
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and a very very fine ufo investigator as

483
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well

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helen

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did drawings of part of her memories for

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bud and pete

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and never backed away for a moment for

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the rest of her life from any of the

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there you go ken amazing

490
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did

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vindication as to

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what their mission was here by coming to

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our planet

494
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not that i recall no um i don't think

495
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they ever

496
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okay yeah and i mean

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that's that's one of my um uh i guess

498
00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:29,039
quest for answers is exactly

499
00:19:32,150 --> 00:19:30,240
uh you know

500
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what is their mission why are they here

501
00:19:36,390 --> 00:19:34,240
what what is it about our planet or

502
00:19:38,789 --> 00:19:36,400
maybe what is it about us

503
00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:38,799
that they're that they find

504
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:41,679
you know scientifically or are we food

505
00:19:46,710 --> 00:19:44,640
for thought pardoned upon yeah um i i'd

506
00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:46,720
be glad to explore that for for a minute

507
00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:48,640
with you ken first

508
00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:51,360
anybody that says that they know

509
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:53,919
is to be regarded with skepticism i

510
00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:54,799
think

511
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or at least suspect

512
00:20:01,830 --> 00:20:00,160
how can one know that one empirically

513
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:01,840
and factually knows such a thing for

514
00:20:06,870 --> 00:20:03,919
sure

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00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:06,880
no matter and it's certainly true that

516
00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:09,280
many very credible people that i've

517
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:12,880
known worked with spend time with um

518
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:15,360
who are convinced um that they've had

519
00:20:21,270 --> 00:20:18,080
such experiences and in some cases

520
00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:21,280
has been witnessed by others um

521
00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:23,520
have on occasion been told certain

522
00:20:27,990 --> 00:20:25,360
things but

523
00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:28,000
it's not that i'm an untrusting person

524
00:20:33,669 --> 00:20:30,640
it's just

525
00:20:35,510 --> 00:20:33,679
deception weaves its way throughout this

526
00:20:37,830 --> 00:20:35,520
whole abduction

527
00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:37,840
phenomena subject

528
00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:40,240
despite the best work of

529
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:44,159
outstanding investigators researchers

530
00:20:48,470 --> 00:20:45,280
authors

531
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:48,480
experiencers and witnesses themselves

532
00:20:52,630 --> 00:20:50,880
as bud used to say occasionally why

533
00:20:54,710 --> 00:20:52,640
should we trust them any more than we

534
00:20:57,110 --> 00:20:54,720
trust the united states air force hey

535
00:21:01,590 --> 00:20:57,120
thank you very much exactly

536
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:01,600
and at the same time i'm i'm not so um

537
00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:04,640
caustic or hard-blooded that i i don't

538
00:21:09,029 --> 00:21:07,039
accept the very real possibility that

539
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:09,039
not only are we dealing

540
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:12,480
with a wide variety of thems i'm not

541
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:14,400
comfortable with the word alien i never

542
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:15,520
have i

543
00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:16,480
usually

544
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:18,960
find myself relying on

545
00:21:23,750 --> 00:21:22,480
referring to them as other intelligences

546
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:23,760
do i think

547
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:24,559
that

548
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:27,280
they come from outer space from other

549
00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:28,799
planets from other

550
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:31,120
parts of our cosmos

551
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:34,320
sure why not i also am open to any

552
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:36,880
number of other possibilities of where

553
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:38,880
they may be from

554
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:39,919
why

555
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:40,880
we

556
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:43,360
or this particular piece of

557
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:46,880
tiny real estate that we reside on

558
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:47,919
in this

559
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:50,480
particular solar system is of interest

560
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:52,000
or value to them

561
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:53,280
um

562
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:54,640
some of them

563
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:57,120
obviously may be you know you pick a

564
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:59,039
number a couple hundred thousand years

565
00:22:02,710 --> 00:22:00,240
ahead of us

566
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:02,720
and then there's the delightful uh

567
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:04,240
thought that

568
00:22:08,310 --> 00:22:06,480
others may be hundreds of thousands of

569
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:08,320
years ahead of them

570
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,760
and

571
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:11,520
one would like to think that if you've

572
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:14,159
been around that long and you have the

573
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:17,120
kind of technology suggested by

574
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:19,919
countless countless

575
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:22,240
authentic film clips

576
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:24,559
true

577
00:22:29,750 --> 00:22:26,400
witness events

578
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:29,760
that you might well have evolved beyond

579
00:22:34,149 --> 00:22:32,400
having your primary activity

580
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:34,159
murdering each other based over where

581
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:37,200
you draw the line in the dirt

582
00:22:40,310 --> 00:22:38,559
however

583
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:40,320
maybe they're just as capable of

584
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:42,240
pathologies

585
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:45,120
and as decency as we are

586
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:48,320
um it's it's a whole world of what ifs

587
00:22:53,430 --> 00:22:50,320
can and for me

588
00:22:55,430 --> 00:22:53,440
40 years in this work

589
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:55,440
if anything has given me

590
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:58,080
a bit of extra humility regarding this

591
00:23:02,870 --> 00:22:59,120
question

592
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:02,880
um there's a wonderful term um

593
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:05,520
the definition of a zen beginner to know

594
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:07,440
that you know nothing and have it be all

595
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:08,480
right

596
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:10,000
now

597
00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:13,919
considerably more than nothing about the

598
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:16,880
subject of ufos and their implications

599
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:19,360
but i'm very clear how little that

600
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:22,880
really represents in terms of what there

601
00:23:26,710 --> 00:23:24,559
is to know

602
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:26,720
what occasionally a colleague or

603
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:28,720
somebody that i hear about alleges that

604
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:31,120
they do know

605
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:32,320
and

606
00:23:37,590 --> 00:23:35,520
again what's just one person's opinion

607
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:37,600
which sometimes is unfortunately put

608
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:40,640
forward as empirical fact

609
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:42,159
or

610
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:45,200
your own fears wishes

611
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:46,799
or longings

612
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:49,279
put forward as agenda

613
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:52,240
ufology is a very inexact science we're

614
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:53,840
not governed

615
00:23:58,390 --> 00:23:57,120
by any overseeing group there's no ama

616
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:58,400
or american

617
00:24:01,990 --> 00:23:59,840
ufological

618
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:02,000
as opposed to psychiatric association

619
00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:04,080
we're not licensed our licenses can't be

620
00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:07,760
removed if we act unethically

621
00:24:11,909 --> 00:24:10,000
to be blunt all you really need to do to

622
00:24:13,430 --> 00:24:11,919
be quote unquote a professional

623
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:13,440
ufologist

624
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:15,200
is put your finger to your nose turn

625
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:16,960
around three times and say i'm a

626
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:19,279
ufologist and congratulations your

627
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:22,720
member of the club i joke of course but

628
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,240
again

629
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:26,720
i i feel that people like myself better

630
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:30,960
damn well hold themselves to the highest

631
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,200
research standards

632
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:35,760
rational skepticism standards

633
00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:38,159
investigative and scholarly standards

634
00:24:42,630 --> 00:24:40,400
not to mention ethical ones

635
00:24:45,830 --> 00:24:42,640
that you possibly can

636
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:45,840
in great part because we're on our own

637
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:47,120
in this

638
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:48,720
very exciting

639
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:56,230
well that was well said peter well said

640
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:58,799
oh thanks it's um

641
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:00,559
for me it's a cause of frustration as

642
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:03,200
well as pride i find this work

643
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:04,480
fascinating

644
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:06,799
and i know it's important and i know the

645
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:09,360
future ultimately will look back

646
00:25:14,470 --> 00:25:11,360
on the latter part of the 20th century

647
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,480
and into the 21st century certainly at

648
00:25:18,950 --> 00:25:16,720
the least and say you know there were a

649
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:18,960
cadre of people

650
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:21,200
who really understood how serious this

651
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,559
was granted

652
00:25:25,830 --> 00:25:24,240
they didn't have all the particulars

653
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:25,840
right or they didn't have the thing in

654
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:27,520
order or there's no way they could have

655
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:30,080
known this that or the other thing

656
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:31,919
but they they put themselves their

657
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,000
reputations um

658
00:25:38,549 --> 00:25:36,559
their time on the line and they tried to

659
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:38,559
help educate others

660
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:41,279
to what was coming uh some felt it was

661
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:43,279
going to be you know by the governments

662
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:44,880
or the first world governments having

663
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:46,159
disclosure

664
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:48,000
others thought it was going to be the

665
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:50,559
intelligences themselves making the

666
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:51,919
revelation

667
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:55,200
uh history now shows us that years ago

668
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:57,039
it happened in such and such a way and

669
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:59,279
we all study it now in school and you

670
00:26:03,669 --> 00:26:00,880
know we deal with these other

671
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:03,679
intelligences as we choose to or need to

672
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:06,159
or are forced to and it's a brave new

673
00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:08,240
world but yeah there was a time when

674
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:09,840
people thought this was a silly subject

675
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:11,279
and there's a reason for that they were

676
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:13,200
conditioned to think that

677
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:15,039
perfect you know what peter we're gonna

678
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stop and take our first break excellent

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to paying radio tonight we have on peter

736
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:00,640
robbins and we're talking everything

737
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:02,720
from bud hopkins to rental shum to

738
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:05,039
abduction some travis walton we'll be

739
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:05,919
getting

740
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:07,919
we we'll be hitting every subject here

741
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,880
my question for peter is how did you

742
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:12,240
hook up with bud hopkins can you tell

743
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:14,320
our listeners that story

744
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:16,399
well

745
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,880
i guess bud hopkins came to national

746
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,480
attention

747
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:23,039
and even outside ufology with the

748
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:25,360
publication of his first book

749
00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:26,880
um

750
00:30:34,149 --> 00:30:30,880
missing time which actually added a

751
00:30:35,110 --> 00:30:34,159
very real phrase to the english language

752
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:35,120
um

753
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:37,919
bud was first and foremost a painter and

754
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:40,799
a wonderful abstract painter i'd have to

755
00:30:46,149 --> 00:30:43,440
say late period abstract expressionist

756
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:46,159
um moved to new york in the late 50s and

757
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:48,480
began his career as a painter

758
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:51,039
became involved in ufos

759
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:53,600
kind of on a tangent like i did

760
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:54,960
in his case

761
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:58,159
the year before me in um

762
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:00,320
or about the same year i take that back

763
00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:03,600
about 1975 a

764
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,279
somebody that he knew

765
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,080
told them about a remarkable ufo

766
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,320
incident he had been involved in

767
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:12,640
and but investigated it and i believe it

768
00:31:17,590 --> 00:31:14,960
was his first case and

769
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:17,600
i think mufon

770
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,760
named it case of the year he did that

771
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:21,440
good a job

772
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:23,519
he was self-trained as an investigator

773
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:25,360
and the way that we met

774
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:26,880
was

775
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:30,799
obsession

776
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:32,559
with this subject

777
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:36,080
and that would have been about 1976

778
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:38,000
five years before the publication of

779
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:39,919
missing time

780
00:31:45,269 --> 00:31:43,360
i read an article in one of our local

781
00:31:48,549 --> 00:31:45,279
new york newspapers

782
00:31:50,470 --> 00:31:48,559
on this particular case

783
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:50,480
i had been doing some reading over the

784
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,799
previous months but frankly this was

785
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,960
about the best written

786
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:56,159
piece

787
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:58,799
that i had read and

788
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:01,039
amazing of amazing

789
00:32:04,549 --> 00:32:03,519
the author lived in new york

790
00:32:06,470 --> 00:32:04,559
and

791
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:06,480
even more amazing he was a painter as

792
00:32:08,389 --> 00:32:07,360
well

793
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:08,399
and

794
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:10,640
i thought i knew his name

795
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:13,360
because i thought i had seen his work

796
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:15,679
a year or two at a gallery uptown and in

797
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:17,200
fact i had

798
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:18,960
and i went to the new york city phone

799
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:20,720
book

800
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,200
and there was bud hopkins only one of

801
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:26,000
them budd with two ds

802
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:28,320
and i just cold called him and

803
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,240
introduced myself

804
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:32,240
told him um

805
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:33,840
that i taught painting at the school of

806
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:36,159
art uh visual arts my alma mater which

807
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:38,399
is not that far from where he lived

808
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:40,480
and his first question for me was he

809
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:43,039
wanted to know what my artwork was like

810
00:32:45,669 --> 00:32:43,919
um

811
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:45,679
being of different generations he didn't

812
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:48,080
sound absolutely thrilled by what i

813
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:49,679
described to him

814
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:53,279
but he was very interested in the reason

815
00:32:59,590 --> 00:32:56,720
that i became involved in the subject

816
00:33:02,310 --> 00:32:59,600
and very interested in meeting my sister

817
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:02,320
and invited me over to have coffee with

818
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:04,320
him a few days later

819
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:05,760
it's so funny when you look at your life

820
00:33:08,710 --> 00:33:07,279
sometimes and

821
00:33:10,710 --> 00:33:08,720
something happens and of course there's

822
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:10,720
no way to know at that moment

823
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:13,039
that your whole life is turning on that

824
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,880
one moment

825
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:16,720
but that's the way it is and that's the

826
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:19,039
way it was when i rang that doorbell for

827
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:20,640
the first time on

828
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:22,559
west 16th street

829
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,799
just off of eighth avenue in manhattan

830
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:26,880
and uh

831
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:28,960
this guy with a big smile and a very

832
00:33:33,269 --> 00:33:30,799
brown head of hair opened the door

833
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:33,279
invited me in we went upstairs

834
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,840
and we had coffee um at his kitchen

835
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:37,679
table and we talked

836
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:38,399
about

837
00:33:44,950 --> 00:33:41,760
ufos and art and life

838
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:44,960
and i should say bud's wonderful memoir

839
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:47,840
is called art life and ufos

840
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:50,480
and i say it that way because

841
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:53,279
i ended up having coffee at that table

842
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:54,799
with bud

843
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:58,559
hundreds of times over the next 35 years

844
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:59,360
and

845
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:00,640
our lives

846
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:03,039
as friends as colleagues

847
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:04,960
as a mentor

848
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:07,760
and assistant um revolved around those

849
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:09,280
three subjects

850
00:34:12,589 --> 00:34:11,359
for the rest of bud's life we lost him

851
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:12,599
in

852
00:34:22,069 --> 00:34:18,800
to cancer at the age of 80. but he was a

853
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,079
great guy and a great man and that is

854
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:24,399
how we met

855
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:27,200
wow that's amazing just just found him

856
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:28,800
in the phone book and that that's that's

857
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,240
a great story yeah and again

858
00:34:37,990 --> 00:34:34,800
it was five years later that

859
00:34:38,790 --> 00:34:38,000
he became the published author who got

860
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:38,800
him

861
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:40,159
the attention

862
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:42,320
in a field that he was very pulled about

863
00:34:46,829 --> 00:34:43,919
because

864
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:46,839
being bud hopkins in the world of ufo

865
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:49,760
studies was not something that enhanced

866
00:34:53,430 --> 00:34:52,079
his career oh tell me about it i know

867
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:53,440
that one

868
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:54,480
exactly

869
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:57,040
and if anything it certainly hurt his

870
00:35:01,910 --> 00:35:00,000
career as a painter his work was superb

871
00:35:04,710 --> 00:35:01,920
ultimately it was in collections and

872
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:04,720
museums all around the world

873
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:07,040
and anybody who is fortunate enough to

874
00:35:09,670 --> 00:35:07,920
have

875
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:09,680
a painting or a drawing of his in their

876
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:13,200
collection should be very proud of it

877
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,480
but

878
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:17,040
bud was a humanist and

879
00:35:21,430 --> 00:35:18,480
he

880
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:21,440
question

881
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:23,200
that he had ever

882
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:25,839
had come his way and the most important

883
00:35:31,670 --> 00:35:28,960
question that was facing mankind

884
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:31,680
he was a marvelous writer had tremendous

885
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:33,200
courage

886
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:34,240
and

887
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:36,480
i just can't say enough about him he he

888
00:35:39,990 --> 00:35:38,079
really was one of the most special

889
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:40,000
people i've ever met

890
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:41,119
and

891
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:45,040
i knew that even at its most boring

892
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:48,480
in terms of filing or proofreading or

893
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:50,160
office work or straightening up around

894
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,440
the studio

895
00:35:57,829 --> 00:35:53,680
um we were involved in

896
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:57,839
in very historic undertaking and

897
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:00,240
i can't tell you how many hypnotic

898
00:36:10,470 --> 00:36:08,230
by the time he passed i know that

899
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:10,480
more than a thousand

900
00:36:13,670 --> 00:36:11,680
um

901
00:36:17,670 --> 00:36:13,680
audio cassettes

902
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:17,680
um had been logged in to our archives

903
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:19,839
most of them hypnotic regressions but

904
00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:22,000
many of them interviews

905
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:22,960
and

906
00:36:29,430 --> 00:36:26,800
it is a remarkable body of work

907
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:29,440
peter we have a question from chat uh

908
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:31,599
this is from neutron or buddy neutron uh

909
00:36:38,710 --> 00:36:33,680
the intruder is the intruder's movie a

910
00:36:41,349 --> 00:36:39,750
boy

911
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:41,359
great question

912
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:42,640
um

913
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,000
like most

914
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:46,240
situations where

915
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:48,720
a true story or stories are made into a

916
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:50,640
film

917
00:36:54,710 --> 00:36:53,280
things are changed things are adjusted

918
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:54,720
sometimes

919
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:56,800
in a fairly harmless way

920
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:58,800
and the quality of the story doesn't

921
00:37:02,230 --> 00:36:59,680
suffer

922
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,240
other times in outrageous ways and you

923
00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:04,880
end up with an almost different story

924
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:05,920
what happened

925
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:08,240
with intruders the series and what we're

926
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:11,119
talking about here folks is

927
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:12,480
um

928
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:13,839
i believe it was four hours of

929
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:15,520
programming two hours over two

930
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:18,480
consecutive nights

931
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:21,520
gosh 25 years ago at least where

932
00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:22,720
cbs

933
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:25,359
showed this mini-series called intruders

934
00:37:31,030 --> 00:37:27,920
it starred a wonderful actress mayor

935
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:31,040
winningham um and a great actor richard

936
00:37:40,950 --> 00:37:38,390
ben vereen was in it in a totally um

937
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:40,960
contrived character but a very uh moving

938
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,320
one i thought

939
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:45,119
and cbs had gone to bud i remember it

940
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:46,800
all well because i worked from through

941
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:48,400
this period

942
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:52,000
and asked to option his second book

943
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:54,000
um intruders

944
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,480
it had been optioned and they decided

945
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,160
well let's take the option on the first

946
00:38:02,230 --> 00:38:00,240
book missing time

947
00:38:04,870 --> 00:38:02,240
the option for intruders over the next

948
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:04,880
months was then returned and they picked

949
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:06,320
that up

950
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:09,119
they then had their screenwriter

951
00:38:13,430 --> 00:38:10,240
create

952
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:13,440
a miniseries

953
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:15,920
that wove both stories together to some

954
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:17,040
degree

955
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:20,400
but still centered around the story

956
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:22,960
of a very real woman named in real life

957
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:26,320
debbie jordan cabell who still lives in

958
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:29,359
indiana not far from the events that she

959
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:31,760
went through that are so well documented

960
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:33,119
in intruders

961
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:35,040
so

962
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:36,000
both

963
00:38:41,270 --> 00:38:38,720
of those

964
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:41,280
stories were woven into intruders but

965
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:44,400
you know what i think it's very good all

966
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:46,320
things considered was certainly vanguard

967
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:48,079
television at the time

968
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:49,280
and

969
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,560
ben vereen

970
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:52,800
and it's an example of

971
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,560
bud did not like it

972
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:56,880
but he didn't hate it because it was

973
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:59,119
well written ben vereen played a

974
00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:01,040
character that had nothing to do with

975
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:02,320
either book

976
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:04,800
but was inserted for the sake of drama

977
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,440
and drama it was in fact i felt he

978
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:09,440
should have won the emmy that year he

979
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:12,400
played a man who had been

980
00:39:18,950 --> 00:39:16,960
a mp a military police officer

981
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,960
at the site of the original roswell

982
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,320
crash

983
00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:22,720
and who had an emotional breakdown

984
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:23,920
around it

985
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,480
and was institutionalized in a military

986
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,640
institution couldn't be allowed out

987
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:30,320
but somehow one of the principles gets

988
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:32,800
to speak to him and it's a very powerful

989
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,119
soliloquy but again having nothing to do

990
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:37,440
with the story but yes i i believe

991
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:40,160
that's available if it's not on netflix

992
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:43,760
surely some film service must have or

993
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:46,400
maybe allow you to download intruders

994
00:39:50,950 --> 00:39:49,200
the miniseries cbs i don't remember the

995
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:50,960
year

996
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:53,760
oh i was not aware that i am going to

997
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:54,839
find that

998
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:58,720
myself it's very cool and um it has its

999
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:00,480
moments some of them were absolutely

1000
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:02,480
phenomenal i also

1001
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:04,400
for anybody that does watch it as

1002
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:05,599
somebody

1003
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:08,000
that has tremendous admiration for the

1004
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:11,440
work of actors and who has many friends

1005
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:14,640
who are actors and has worked with them

1006
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:17,040
richard krenna a good

1007
00:40:22,150 --> 00:40:19,599
wonderful old-fashioned method actor

1008
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:22,160
came to bud studio and home for several

1009
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:23,119
days

1010
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:25,280
and basically followed him around and

1011
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:27,040
observed him in

1012
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:29,040
domestic professional

1013
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:30,319
um

1014
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,400
you know ufo related art related

1015
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:34,079
situations

1016
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:35,760
and

1017
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:38,400
it's wonderful to see him

1018
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:40,000
work

1019
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:43,040
to act in this in this television piece

1020
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:44,880
because he really

1021
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:48,480
carries it off very well

1022
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,400
as i recall

1023
00:40:54,630 --> 00:40:52,480
i may be wrong here i think they didn't

1024
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:54,640
want to make bud a painter because they

1025
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:57,040
felt even though the fact that he was a

1026
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:59,200
painter um

1027
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:01,520
he was still a brilliant brilliant

1028
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:04,640
self-taught investigative writer um

1029
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:06,800
but they made him a psychologist which

1030
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:08,640
was just fine i think that was a fair

1031
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:10,720
deal um

1032
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:11,920
and yes

1033
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:14,800
that is a fairly outstanding piece

1034
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,079
of abduction related media treatment

1035
00:41:23,030 --> 00:41:20,880
that's pretty damn good um considering

1036
00:41:24,950 --> 00:41:23,040
how much has been put out on the subject

1037
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:24,960
in the intervening years

1038
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:28,240
right right ken you got something hey uh

1039
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,200
peter did did bud ever indicate to you

1040
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:33,680
and and i'll pose this question to you

1041
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,960
also

1042
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:37,200
did he ever get any harassment

1043
00:41:41,510 --> 00:41:38,800
uh from the authorities from the

1044
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:41,520
government as far as his works go

1045
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:42,400
uh

1046
00:41:48,150 --> 00:41:46,000
yeah um a fair question um

1047
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:48,160
the government

1048
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:51,040
maybe if it was in very disguised form

1049
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:51,920
um

1050
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:54,640
or not so disguised i i think

1051
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:55,359
the

1052
00:42:02,150 --> 00:41:59,040
possibility

1053
00:42:04,150 --> 00:42:02,160
came in the form of a professional

1054
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,160
debunker not skeptic

1055
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:06,000
named philip class

1056
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:08,880
oh know him well yeah go ahead go ahead

1057
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:11,040
he he

1058
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:13,839
i i'm strangely proud to say that his

1059
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:15,599
personal attack

1060
00:42:20,710 --> 00:42:19,440
against my and my sister's um

1061
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:20,720
experience

1062
00:42:23,510 --> 00:42:22,079
and why it couldn't have happened

1063
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:23,520
because of course none of these things

1064
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,240
can happen and was phil's job to assist

1065
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,079
us all in understanding how

1066
00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:30,560
simple-minded we were

1067
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:32,560
appears in the same book

1068
00:42:36,790 --> 00:42:35,359
where he takes on travis walton

1069
00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:36,800
who i didn't

1070
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,240
know well at the time the book was

1071
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:40,720
written it's called ufo abductions a

1072
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:42,480
dangerous game

1073
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:46,079
yes sir um and and phil may or may not

1074
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:47,680
have been an employee

1075
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:50,319
um of the american intelligence

1076
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:51,839
community there is some evidence to

1077
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:53,920
suggest that was the case

1078
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:57,200
if not um bud was certainly the target

1079
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:58,880
of attacks by

1080
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:01,040
folks overall who i would call useful

1081
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:02,400
idiots

1082
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:03,200
who

1083
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:06,400
are not government agents but um

1084
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:07,440
take

1085
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:09,680
their responsibility to

1086
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,240
warn people away from dangerous citizens

1087
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:14,640
like mr hopkins who

1088
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:17,359
obviously was deluded

1089
00:43:25,190 --> 00:43:23,430
they don't have to be paid

1090
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,200
to

1091
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:27,359
say or

1092
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:30,640
pose pseudo-scientific explanations

1093
00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:33,280
or mock or attack the character if they

1094
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:35,119
can't attack the work or the findings or

1095
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:36,880
the evidence

1096
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:39,359
no he he certainly had those kind of

1097
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:41,839
folks regularly

1098
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:43,839
sticking their noses in his life and

1099
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:46,560
trying to take him on

1100
00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:49,599
it cost a lot of time i think to rebut

1101
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:50,960
the worst of them

1102
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:53,359
but it is something that you learn um

1103
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:56,079
you can ignore a lot of these people

1104
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:58,160
uh other times you really do have to

1105
00:44:01,990 --> 00:43:59,200
address

1106
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:02,000
um attacks or things that are said um

1107
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:03,599
that are simply

1108
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:04,880
untrue

1109
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:07,359
and and sometimes damaging to your

1110
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:09,440
character your reputation your ability

1111
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:11,440
to earn a living or any number of other

1112
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,480
things so

1113
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:14,319
do you think it's orchestrated or is it

1114
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:16,560
just a haphazard uh

1115
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:18,000
um

1116
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:19,760
phenomenal for

1117
00:44:25,750 --> 00:44:23,200
people to yeah purely my opinion um

1118
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:25,760
um i think it's probably both

1119
00:44:29,910 --> 00:44:27,760
um but i don't think

1120
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,920
that there's a great necessity at this

1121
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:31,359
point

1122
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:34,960
to do a lot of extra um orchestration on

1123
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:37,520
the part of the forces that be

1124
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:40,000
who are the secret keepers who

1125
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:41,760
like things the way they are

1126
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:43,760
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00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:29,599
we offer those who really love our radio

1146
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:32,240
station our network and our shows uh an

1147
00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:35,359
ability to to support our network and

1148
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become a part of irn

1149
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actually join forces in helping us get

1150
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the truth out there now how do you do

1151
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dot inceptionradionetwork.com

1152
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and you subscribe for the insiders club

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and you you'll have access to all of our

1154
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archives including this show the rest of

1155
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the show a faster way of getting there

1156
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go to the description below this video

1157
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and click on the link and like i said

1158
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you'll be joining forces with irn you'll

1159
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have availability of all of our content

1160
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and we really appreciate your support

1161
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,630
hello everyone lorian fenton here host

1162
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:23,040
of the california mufon radio show

1163
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:26,079
asking if you'd like special access to

1164
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:29,200
exclusive and amazing information about

1165
00:46:33,990 --> 00:46:32,640
ufos the paranormal and all things

1166
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unexplained

1167
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1174
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radio and tv productions and of course

1175
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paying radio with mj and ken starch so

1176
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don't wait any longer visit

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inceptionradionetwork.com

1178
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and click on member login to join irn's

1179
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insider club and get your vip access

1180
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to listen to the rest of this interview

1181
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please go to inceptionradionetwork.com

1182
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and register for the insider's club what

1183
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:25,520
is the insiders club the insider's club

1184
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:27,680
is our premium content what you've just

1185
00:47:33,030 --> 00:47:29,520
listened to now what you've just

1186
00:47:35,430 --> 00:47:33,040
listened to is a preview of that premium

1187
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:35,440
content the insider's club is how we pay

1188
00:47:41,910 --> 00:47:38,800
the bills that's how you support ir and

1189
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:41,920
you join forces with irn to get the

1190
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:44,400
truth out there now a lot of our content

1191
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:46,400
is free i mean most of our content is

1192
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:50,400
free all of our live shows are free um

1193
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,160
if you go to our archives the vast

1194
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:54,480
majority of our archives are for free

1195
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:57,280
but to pay the bills to help make sure

1196
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:01,200
this network stays alive stays viable we

1197
00:48:06,870 --> 00:48:04,160
offer those who really love our radio

1198
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:06,880
station our network and our shows uh an

1199
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,000
ability to to support our network and

1200
00:48:15,270 --> 00:48:12,480
become a part of irn

1201
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:15,280
actually join forces in helping us get

1202
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:16,800
the truth out there now how do you do

1203
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:19,359
this again you go to inception radio

1204
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:20,960
network

1205
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:23,520
and you subscribe for the insider's club

1206
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:26,480
and you you'll have access to all of our

1207
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:28,720
archives including this show the rest of

1208
00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:30,800
the show a faster way of getting there

1209
00:48:34,549 --> 00:48:33,119
go to the description below this video

1210
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:34,559
and click on the link

1211
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:36,640
and like i said you'll be joining forces

1212
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:39,359
with irn you'll have availability of all

1213
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:42,079
of our content and we really appreciate

1214
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,270
hello everyone lori and fenton here host

1215
00:49:00,630 --> 00:48:57,599
of the california mufon radio show

1216
00:49:03,750 --> 00:49:00,640
asking if you'd like special access to

1217
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:03,760
exclusive and amazing information about

1218
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:07,280
ufos the paranormal and all things

1219
00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:08,640
unexplained

1220
00:49:13,109 --> 00:49:11,599
if you're nodding yes then join irn's

1221
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:13,119
insider club

1222
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all-access pass to premiere inception

1223
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:20,920
radio network content for only

1224
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:24,319
4.99 a month this includes

1225
00:49:30,630 --> 00:49:27,280
live ufo and paranormal conferences

1226
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:30,640
live streaming ufo sky watches exclusive

1227
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:33,520
irn radio and tv productions and of

1228
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:36,480
course paying radio with mj and ken

1229
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:39,200
starch so don't wait any longer visit

1230
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:41,599
inceptionradionetwork.com

1231
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:45,040
and click on member login to join iran's

1232
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:48,559
insider club and get your vip access

1233
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:50,960
today

1234
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:52,960
to listen to the rest of this interview

1235
00:49:57,910 --> 00:49:55,599
please go to inceptionradionetwork.com

1236
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:57,920
and register for the insider's club what

1237
00:50:02,309 --> 00:50:00,160
is the insider's club the insider's club

1238
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:02,319
is our premium content what you've just

1239
00:50:07,670 --> 00:50:04,160
listened to now what you've just

1240
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:07,680
listened to is a preview of that premium

1241
00:50:13,430 --> 00:50:10,079
content the insiders club is how we pay

1242
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:13,440
the bills that's how you support ir and

1243
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:16,480
you join forces with irn to get the

1244
00:50:20,950 --> 00:50:19,040
truth out there now a lot of our content

1245
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:20,960
is free i mean most of our content is

1246
00:50:26,710 --> 00:50:24,960
free all of our live shows are free um

1247
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:26,720
if you go to our archives the vast

1248
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,040
majority of our archives are for free

1249
00:50:35,510 --> 00:50:31,920
but to pay the bills to help make sure

1250
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:35,520
this network stays alive stays viable

1251
00:50:41,430 --> 00:50:38,720
we offer those who really love our radio

1252
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:41,440
station our network and our shows uh an

1253
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:44,559
ability to to support our network and

1254
00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:47,040
become a part of irn

1255
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,839
actually join forces in helping us get

1256
00:50:54,430 --> 00:50:51,359
the truth out there now how do you do

1257
00:50:56,069 --> 00:50:54,440
this again you go to inception

1258
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:56,079
inceptionradionetwork.com and you

1259
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:58,880
subscribe for the insider's club and you

1260
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:01,119
you'll have access to all of our

1261
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:03,280
archives including this show the rest of

1262
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:05,359
the show a faster way of getting there

1263
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:07,680
go to the description below this video

1264
00:51:11,270 --> 00:51:09,200
and click on the link

1265
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:11,280
and like i said you'll be joining forces

1266
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:13,920
with irn you'll have availability of all

1267
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:16,720
of our content and we really appreciate

1268
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:29,829
hello everyone lorian fenton here host

1269
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:32,160
of the california mufon radio show

1270
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:35,280
asking if you'd like special access to

1271
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:38,400
exclusive and amazing information about

1272
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:41,839
ufos the paranormal and all things

1273
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:43,200
unexplained

1274
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:46,160
if you're nodding yes then join irn's

1275
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:47,760
insider club

1276
00:51:55,470 --> 00:51:52,400
all-access pass to premiere inception

1277
00:51:58,950 --> 00:51:55,480
radio network content for only

1278
00:52:02,150 --> 00:51:58,960
4.99 a month this includes

1279
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:02,160
live ufo and paranormal conferences live

1280
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:04,400
streaming ufo sky watches

1281
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:07,680
exclusive irn radio and tv productions

1282
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:10,800
and of course paying radio with mj and

1283
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:13,359
ken starch so don't wait any longer

1284
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:16,160
visit inceptionradionetwork.com

1285
00:52:23,109 --> 00:52:19,599
and click on member login to join irn's